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Monday, April 21, 2014

Riding coattails

Posted by Gary on August 24, 2010

1 Timothy 2:11-15 “A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.”

I often wonder how Christian congregations who would not support or allow a homosexual to be their pastor are willing to allow women to be their pastors. If you were to ask such folk why they would oppose a homosexual in their pulpit they would quickly respond, “Because God has forbidden homosexuality” and they have answered rightly. God has also forbidden a woman to teach or have authority over a man, why isn’t there the same concern to obey God as He speaks about the roles of men and women?

The sad truth is that increasingly congregations that permit women to be ministers are allowing homosexuals to be ministers and I want to ask you to ponder for a moment the process that has led to all this.

The argument usually cited for the Apostolic prohibition of women in authority over men is cultural. “Paul was giving a command that was tied to the way life was in his day.” “Paul lived in a patriarchal time when women weren’t allowed to have authority over men.” “We aren’t back in the stone ages, we have become more enlightened then Paul and his time was”. These are all common statements from egalitarians to defend women in authority over men.

Isn’t it interesting that Paul tells us the reason for His God inspired prohibition and the time frame he references is not his day but the very beginning of time? Why does Paul say that women shouldn’t have authority over men? Because it was not God’s design from the very beginning. The reason women are not to have authority over men is not based in culture which may change but in God’s created order which never changes. Adam was created first and that truth cannot be changed.

Have you ever wondered why God made Adam first? Why wasn’t he made after Eve? Alright, we are all about fairness, why didn’t God make Adam and Eve at the same time? Simultaneously? (God being God could have done that couldn’t He?). Why was the woman taken from the man? All of these realities are ignored in what is called “the cultural argument” for women in places of authority over men.

This cultural argument is the very coattail that homosexuality has ridden into our churches and pulpits. The claim is that the Bible’s prohibitions against homosexuality are ancient and certainly bigoted and our culture has begun to see the light. We don’t think men lying with men and women with women is wrong. So “voila” God’s Word is not eternally true, it bends and molds to our culture.

No church can honestly defend prohibiting a homosexual from their pulpit who will allow a woman to teach men, at least not and be honest. If you are willing to accept the cultural argument for women in the ministry you must accept it for the homosexual.

God’s truth is eternally true and the movement of time and movement of people’s morals do not change what He has decreed. Increasingly churches that allow women to be in authority over men are allowing homosexuals into the ministry. Both sins are explained away and support one another through the cultural argument. May God grant those who claim the name of His Son Jesus to repent of their rebellion and return to His truth.

Comments

2 Responses to “Riding coattails”
  1. ma bear says:

    When I believe in the bible,and want to share my love of the Lord,. the Lord says no, your a woman, be quiet!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Gary says:

      Dear Ma,

      I wanted to take a moment to respond to your comment with hopes of being a help to you and others. I must admit being concerned/disappointed that you didn’t interact with what the verse said but only have communicated that you do not like it. Whether we like something God has said is not the issue. I asked some questions in my post that you did not address and I wish you would have. What does it mean that God created the man first? The verses mention that it was Eve who was deceived not Adam. I think you need to consider these items more than reacting in a way that you must know could not be proper and I am afraid was close to flippant.

      But on to the matter. The command for women to be quiet is in the context of the church setting and this if one reads the Bible completely is not an absolute silence it has to do with women giving instruction to men which God has forbidden because of the order of creation, the man being made first and the woman being his helper not his instructor. The Bible in no way means that a woman is not to share her belief in God and love for the Lord with others.

      But on to deeper matters…In your comment you mentioned believing in the Bible…believing it would mean accepting what is says is true correct? Do you believe it when it tells you that a woman is not to instruct a man? You also mentioned love for the Lord. Jesus tells us what loving Him means and I am afraid that it hardly matches the definition that most of us have. When we say love we tend to mean feelings when Jesus speaks of love He means actions first.

      John 14:21-23
      “He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.”

      What would loving Jesus look like in light of the verses I mentioned in the post? It would mean that a woman accepts that God in His wisdom has a place for her in His created order. This place includes many privileges and opportunities to do God’s work but it does not include assuming a place above her husband or any other man to be his instructor. To love the Lord in light of these verses would be to embrace what He made you to be and not to argue or find fault with Him.

      The question for all of us is do we love the Lord when He tells us things we don’t immediately like? Does He for instance have the right to tell me or you to be quiet? Will I love Him if He does?

      The effects of the fall are still in full swing in our day. For men this often means being weak or harsh, for women it means an ongoing attempt to rise above her husband and take his place which is what the first woman certainly did. We must look forward to the day when God fully rescues us from the curse of the fall then and only then will men fully be what they should be and likewise for women.

      Let me lovingly encourage you to embrace what the Bible has said to you in these verses. Look carefully to see any evidence of a rebellious spirit in yourself. Your happiness is found in obeying God even when what He has said to you is difficult.

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